in three and a half years president obama held 01 on one meetings with his health and human services secretary. however, his calendar listed 277 private meetings with other cabinet secretaries. why didn't the president make time to meet with the person cast with implementing his signature legislation? is it possible? here with the details is with peter swiets. i know you looked at calendar records, 277 meetings with other secretaries. is it possible that it is just not recorded but happened? >> it's possible but that would be the only cabinet secretary that that applied to. what we did is looked at official white house calendar on white house.gov. second backed it up by looking at politico calendar and third looked at white house visitor's log showing sabeliuos went to the white house but there are no recorded meetings except for 1, april, 2010 where she and secretary of the treasury geithner met with the president but that is three and a half years ago. >> wow, did the government, did jay carney give a response? >> no. no. no response from the white house, their position now is diff